Chapter 13 2nd Mortgage Lien Stripping

Chapter 13 2nd Mortgage Lien Stripping

You may be able to strip your 2nd mortgage or home equity line of credit, Heloc, off of your home in a Chapter 13.  Not only can you discharge the loan, or promissory note that you signed when you executed the loan docs, but you may also be able to remove the lien from your home as well.  If the Bankruptcy Judge assigned to your case agrees, then once your chapter 13 case is over, the creditor must release the lien.

You may also be able to remove the 2nd mortgage from a rental property and in addition, you may also be able to reduce the 1st mortgage as well.  Rental property properties have different rules than residences do.  An important distinction, you must remember that if you live in the house, you have fewer options than if you have moved out and rented the place.


A 2nd mortgage, or home equity line of credit, has two things over you:

a) the have the note that you signed promising to pay
b) they have a deed of trust or trust deed on the house which is a lien on the house

Chapter 7 Bankruptcy discharges the Note or the Loan, but you still have the Lien or Trust Deed on your house.  Even after your bankruptcy, your 2nd mortgage lender can foreclose the lien, but in order to do so, it must first pay off the 1st mortgage and any unpaid property taxes.

This is a big difference between the two chapters of  Consumer Bankruptcy.  After a chapter 7 is over and completed, the 2nd mortgage could still foreclose on the house later.  Over time, the value of the property will go up. The house will appreciate.  After it’s value increases to a point where the value of the house is greater than the balance on the first mortgage, the 2nd mortgage would be in a position to foreclose the property.

So, what you do is:

1.  Get an appraisal.  We must be able to credibly state that the value of the home is significantly lower than the balance on the 1st mortgage.   If your value is lower but close, you run the risk of expensive litigation in order to strip your 2nd mortgage or home equity line of credit.  Of course, if the balance on the 2nd is large compared to the cost of the litigation, then it’s worth the effort.  As long as you know that the attorney’s fees could be significant as you’re going into the deal, then it’s fine if you want to spend the money.  Nevertheless, those attorney’s fees would be on a three to five year payment plan so it should be manageable.

2.  If the value of the home is lower than the balance on the first and it is significantly lower, then the mortgage lender on the 2nd mortgage or Heloc, Home Equity Line of Credit, won’t fight it, and you’ll win by default.

3.  If the value of the home is greater than the balance on the first, even just a little bit, then you lose and you’re stuck with the whole 2nd mortgage.   Remember however, there is a difference between your primary residence and your rental properties.  Respecting your primary residence, you can only remove your 2nd mortgage, or not.  Rental properties however, can have 2nd mortgages removed, 1st mortgages reduced, or if the value of the home is above the balance on the 1st mortgage, the 2nd mortgage (or heloc) could be reduced so that the total balances on all mortgages are equal to the value of the property.


Chapter 7s are risky. We don’t know how long it will take the values of our real estate to increase.  If you do a chapter 7, you will discharge the loan, or promissory note.  Nevertheless, you will still have the deed of trust still attached to the house.  So at some point you must settle that 2nd mortgage with that bank.

Chapter 13s are risky too.  They can allow you to strip the 2nd mortgage off the house completely.  Risky because chapter 13 (on your primary residence) requires that you immediately go back to paying your regularly scheduled monthly mortgage payments on your 1st.  If the 1st mortgage has not yet been modified on the date of filing the bankruptcy, then you’d be stuck with the unmodified mortgage payments.

All chapter 13s must be approved by the judge assigned to your case.  Called a confirmation order, many cases end up falling short because people who want to remove the 2nd mortgage often propose payment plans that are unrealistic.  In other words the budgets they propose for themselves are just too tight.  Your attorney will refer to such a budget as unfeasible.  Feasibility just means that you really can afford to make the monthly payment to the bankruptcy trustee on your case.  To be confirmed, a case must be feasible, and you must convince your judge and your bankruptcy trustee that you can afford to to make the chapter 13 plan payments.

Additionally, most chapter 13s never get completed once they are confirmed.  More than 70% don’t get a chapter 13 discharge because something happens that derails the payment plan such as a work stoppage or an illness, or even just a busted transmission.  Either your earning capacity has been reduced or your ability to pay has been eclipsed by a more pressing expense.

Stripping the 2nd mortgage off in a chapter 13 requires that you complete the payment plan.  If your hypothetical plan payment is $350/mo and you pay it for 2 1/2 years that’s a total of $350 x 30 months = $10,500.  What if you cannot pay it anymore because of a work stoppage, you get fired or laid off, you break your leg, your transmission goes bad? You’re not going to complete your chapter 13 payment plan.  Guess what, you just tossed $10,500 out the window.

So, to strip a 2nd mortgage off of your primary residence,

  1. the value of the property must be lower than the balance on your first mortgage
  2. you must be able to pay the 1st mortgage payment,
  3. you must get the judge to agree that you are able to afford the plan payment,
  4. and you must complete the plan which will be 3 to 5 years long.

How Much Will My Chapter 13 Plan Payment Be?

Plan payments depend on a couple things

  1. how much excess income you have at the end of the month
  2. how much the means test says you must pay
  3. how much you owe on unpaid mortgage payments from previously unpaid months called arrears
  4. back taxes and child support
  5. the balance owing on your car
  6. how much of your attorney’s fees were paid in advance
  7. how much you usually get as tax refunds
  8. and several other possible issues

You will have to call for a consultation on the issue in order to get an estimate.

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David L Nelson
Temecula Bankruptcy Attorney
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Debt Freedom and Retirement

Debt Freedom is Required for Retirement

If you’re like most of us, you’re planning to retire on your 401k or other similar Retirement plan. And you’re wondering if Walmart and McDonalds will have too many “senior” team members when you get there.  Because you’re going end up with a lower income than the one that you presently cannot live on, you wonder what will you do then?  Do you really think social security will be available?  Even if it is, how much buying power will it have?  My mom used to get the equivalent of groceries and utilities, and that was it.

I will teach you how a 2nd Mortgage can be treated as though Stripped Off your home even in a Chapter 7, and how you can in fact strip a 2nd Mortgage off your home with a Chapter 13.

Because your retirement income will most likely be lower, than your current income: If you’re still in debt at retirement time, you’re going to file Bankruptcy.  Why not file right now?  Put those credit card payments into your retirement accounts instead.  I realize that for most of you, if you didn’t have to pay consumer debts, you would not likely be able to just switch portions of your budget over to retirement planning.  You’re eating white bread from Albertsons with non-fat milk and telling yourself that it’s because the non-fat is healthier.  Just to pay the gas expense, you’re wearing sweaters at night and walking to the not as good park because you can’t afford to drive to the nice one with the lake.  Telling yourself and your kids that walking is good for you even though the slides are broken isn’t making you feel any better. I get it.  However, what if you could have a more normal budget and maybe put at least some into savings?


YOU MUST GET OUT OF DEBT. When it comes to Retirement, or Wealth Building, getting out of debt is not the FINAL step but the FIRST. Mortgages must be part of the formula. How can you Retire when you’re in debt?

Here’s what I see everyday: Your Mortgage payment is $1500/mo and your 2nd is $500/mo.  In Credit Cards you have $25,000 with payments of another $500/mo.  Both Mortgages have 30 year terms.  At year 10 you start up a 401k plan and a personal IRA.  But how much can you put into either?  You’ve got $1000 in debt service going out of your budget every month.  Each month before you eat, you have to pay $1000 to cyberspace or “The Man”.

Assuming you have an income of $6500/mo and take home $5300 after taxes and insurances, and that you’re married and you have 2 children living at home.  First, I’d recommend, one of you must get a better job or another job as soon as possible.

$5300 Net Pay Less
$2000 Mortgages
$500 Debts and Credit Cards
$2,800 Left after that. (the rest of the budget must be calculated.)
$700 Two Car Payments
$500 Gas and Travel for the two cars
$100 Car Insurance
$40 Medical Expenses out of pocket
$800 Groceries (and everything that comes from the store) and Fast Food on the way to and from work, school and at work and school.
$400 Day Care
$400 All Utilities including Internet $30, Cell Phones $150, Home Heating & Cooking $100,  TV $50, Water $70

You can see that this family’s budget is already negative.  Add clothing & shoes $150 (for four), life insurance $80, hair cuts & beauty shop $40, tithing/charitable giving $40, laundry/dry cleaning $35 and home maintenance $20 and you’re toast.


Bankrupt already, and you just didn’t know it.

Filing bankruptcy for this family would be a fantastic idea.  Just think about it.  Even if they were stuck with the 2nd mortgage when it was over, how much better off would they be if they could just get out of under the credit cards payments.

In a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy they must Qualify.  Called the Means Test, the qualification test starts with your gross income and asks first are you above it or below it?  If above, then there is an 8 page questionnaire that you must go through to see if you qualify or not, and in my experience, 97% of my clients have qualified by the time we are done with the 8 page questionnaire.  In our current test case, the family makes $6,500/mo which is $78,000/yr.  The Median Income for a family of 4 this year is $78,869.00 and they get to skip the 8 page test.  Part three of the Qualification Test, we go their budget to see if they have any money left over when it is all said and done.  Even adding that $500 from the credit cards back in leaves them negative $5.00/mo so they have qualified for a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy.

In Chapter 13 you must also Qualify, but the test is basically this, can you afford to make a payment?  Why would you want to do a Chapter 13?  If the value of the home is lower than the balance on the 1st mortgage, then this family could do a chapter 13 bankruptcy and strip that 2nd mortgage off of the house.  In this case, they would divert the $500/mo that they are paying to their 2nd mortgage, or perhaps even a bit less depending on circumstances, and at the end of three short years, (in this hypothetical case) the 2nd mortgage is gone, the lien is released, and that $500/mo payment is gone forever starting 17 years earlier than planned.

I cannot stress this enough, what happens in month 37?

Okay, probably after a short vacation so probably in Month 40 or 45, they can now put that $500/mo that had been going into the 2nd mortgage into their retirement planning.  If it goes into an IRA, Life Insurance, 401k, or whatever, at least it is now going into their future rather than huge bonuses to Citibank and Chase Mastercard’s CEOs.

I would pay the 1st Mortgage off at this point. 17 years x 12 months is 204 months x $500/mo is $102,000.  Any mortgage with a $1500 payment could probably be paid off before the 17 years is over when you combine the 2nd mortgage payment with the first and pay down the first with $2000/mo instead of only $1500.

If you put the $102,000 into an IRA or a 401k how much would you have at the end of 17 more years, it’s hard to say, it could easily be only the $102,000 or it could be $250,000.  What will the monthly payments be from a pot of $250,000 when you retire?  I’m not a retirement planner but I’m sure it would be less than $1500/mo.

So with a chapter 7 our hypothetical family might have some breathing room.

With a chapter 13 they might be able to pay off their 1st mortgage and save for retirement. HERE’S A CREDIBLE PLAN TO RETIRE EARLY THAT CAN ACTUALLY WORK WITHOUT SELLING STUFF TO YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.  (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

It depends on the value of the house.


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Why Bankruptcy?

Ever considered it?

Because Friends Don’t Let Friends Pay Credit Cards From Savings!

You may either make too much money or have too much equity in your assets, in which case, why bother?  You may have no job and nothing to take away from you, in which case, why bother?

However, if you are like most families and people, you have an average income, average sized family and not enough income.  An average income would have been fine some years ago, but now, you’re making less and spending more, even if you have the same job.

As the price of gas goes up, while that might be good for the country if it forces us off of gas, it also means that your discretionary spending is shrinking faster than we can rebudget the little that’s left over.  Trust me, if the price of gas does go back down, it’s going to bottom out at about $4.00 to $4.25/gallon because that’s how markets work.

What are you going to do?

If you’re thinking that it’s immoral, stop it.  Two things, first look up the Jubile (Jubilee in Modern English) in your bible dictionary.  Second, think of the parable that ends with the statement that you cannot serve two masters, you cannot serve God and Mammon. You will want to Google the meaning of Mammon but it translates as ill-gotten gains, (some translations just say wealth).  So, you cannot serve God and sin.  Kind of a no duh moment.

But watch what the servant did. In that parable the servant was told by the Lord of the House that he was going to be fired because he hadn’t collected on the accounts.  As the accounts manager of the House, (think of House the way the English use it to mean business) he was a bad servant because he hadn’t collected.

So, upon learning that he was about to be fired, he settled several of the accounts.  Inquired of several of the Lord’s debtors, he’d ask how much do you owe? Answer received, he’d settle the account.  Accounts of 100 measures of oil, or 50 bushels of wheat, or 100 buckets of barley, he settled for between 50% to 80% of the balance.

But what happened to him?  From the man who had threatened to fire him, he received a commendation.  Think about this.  Almost a promotion, he gets an “Attaboy” from his boss.  The business owner  actually thanks him.

Serving Mammon

Serving mammon is to try to get the last penny out of your debtors when in a tough economy no one can afford to pay. Wise action is when the accounts manager has enough sense to settle the accounts and at least get some money back into the business in order to continue operations.  In doing so, he made his boss happy to get at least something instead of nothing which is what he was getting when the accounts manager was holding out for full price.  In doing so, he also made friends outside the business just in case he did in fact get fired and had to leave.

What are your Creditors doing to you?  They’re trying to get the last penny out of you when in a tough economy no one can afford to pay. If they wont’ be the wise servant and settle the accounts with you, then you be the wise servant and settle the accounts with them.  If you can afford to pay a little, you do a chapter 13 and pay a payment plan.  If you cannot afford to pay, then this is your JUBILEE year, and you do a chapter 7.

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